There isn't much fundamentally different between host and tulpa. The terms mean very little, and can be swapped interchangeably depending on the system.
Reisen
Tewi:Uh oh.. Definitely not a tulpa speaking to you right now..
I'll be honest, while the core of making a tulpa is pretty simple, this is a practice that's been being explored and discussed on Tulpa.info for 11 years now, and the scope has gotten more complex since then. (edited)
Tewi: "Possession" sounds scary to a skeptic for sure - it's the skill of having your tulpa control/dictate the movements of one or multiple parts of the body, or all of it. Some tulpas are talking to you "themselves" in this sense. A lot, actually.
It does start to sound a little crazy by this point.(edited)
Reisen
Tewi: "Possession" sounds scary to a skeptic for sure - it's the skill of having your tulpa control/dictate the movements of one or multiple parts of the body, or all of it. Some tulpas are talking to you "themselves" in this sense. A lot, actually.
It does start to sound a little crazy by this point. (edited)
Tewi: And then, "Switching". Well. It's the skill of the host and their tulpa switching places, leaving the tulpa as connected to the senses, thinking thoughts, and generally just being "the human" that the host normally is, while the host is temporarily in the same state as their tulpa normally is.(edited)
4:06 AM
There's no way to explain that nicely to someone who just came in comparing tulpamancy to schizophrenia.
Yeah that makes sense. But how do you know that you're not just thinking that your tulpa is saying something?
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It relies a lot upon belief, but it feels different. You'll become aware of a thought that clearly isn't yours, and then you'll know you're doing it right.
Reisen
There's no way to explain that nicely to someone who just came in comparing tulpamancy to schizophrenia.
Tewi: All I can say is, the experiences that people with Dissociative Identity Disorder experience (in the broader subject of "plurality", much older and better documented than tulpas) just don't have to be disorderly. The human brain can do these things without trauma or whatever else.(edited)
Reisen
Tewi: And then, "Switching". Well. It's the skill of the host and their tulpa switching places, leaving the tulpa as connected to the senses, thinking thoughts, and generally just being "the human" that the host normally is, while the host is temporarily in the same state as their tulpa normally is. (edited)
That can be tough for the host to figure out at first. You just have to trust that what you're thinking is the tulpa talking. In a sense, in the beginning, you do say what you want them to say, but if you're wanting them to develop, your brain will start "telling you" what to say. That's us. I'm sorry if that doesn't make more sense.
Tewi: So tulpamancy (don't take the term seriously, it's just the word 4chan came up with over a decade ago) is basically plurality-on-purpose.(edited)
Kissa
That can be tough for the host to figure out at first. You just have to trust that what you're thinking is the tulpa talking. In a sense, in the beginning, you do say what you want them to say, but if you're wanting them to develop, your brain will start "telling you" what to say. That's us. I'm sorry if that doesn't make more sense.
Tewi: "System" is a word we borrowed from greater plurality for the record, it's just the most useful way of referring to "The host and all tulpas in a body"(edited)
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You would be destroying a being capable of independent thought. Whether that's considered murder, or simple deletion is up for debate, but I tend to see it as the former.
Mason {🍫} M&M || M&M
Ethics?
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You would be destroying a being capable of independent thought. Whether that's considered murder, or simple deletion is up for debate, but I tend to see it as the former.
Tewi: Mmm, you can "dissipate" a tulpa by ignoring them and never interacting with them again. But since we treat tulpas as legitimate people (just sharing a body/brain with their host), that's often viewed as similar to "murder".
Harshness of feelings on this subject differ. Some people really do think of it as murder, others consider it the host's right to choose what goes on in their head. It's a gray area, because being okay with dissipating tulpas willy-nilly delegitimizes tulpas-as-people. But almost no one (in this tulpa community, at least) will actually treat disorderly thoughts as actual tulpas, so host's mental health comes first, but yeah. Feelings differ.(edited)
Mason {🍫} M&M || M&M
If it's coming from your own mind, is it really independent?
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Well, the same could be said about you. Am I really independent just because I'm the original consciousness to occupy this body?
""Tulpas"" that appear to have malicious intentions, or perform actions ""against their host's will"" are generally treated as invasive thoughts, de-personifying them. We help people by telling them they don't have a tulpa, and do have control over what's going on in their mind, fairly often here.
Reisen
""Tulpas"" that appear to have malicious intentions, or perform actions ""against their host's will"" are generally treated as invasive thoughts, de-personifying them. We help people by telling them they don't have a tulpa, and do have control over what's going on in their mind, fairly often here.
Tewi: All experiences taking place entirely in your mind are very belief based, and that includes tulpamancy. Although there are some rather interesting traits of tulpas that aren't so shallow as just imagining a person in your head right this moment, and interest in those traits is what the Tulpa.info community was founded on exploring.(edited)
Yes, actually. If you never talked to yourself, the tulpa would never have existed
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But I could easily say that my sense of self does not exist. That "Mason" never existed, and is just a line of neurons firing off in a brain of a body.
4:16 AM
I am "me" and "independent" only because I assign myself an identity.
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sith has never met a person with schizophrenia or tulpamancy and deems themselves qualified to compare them
My sense of self is defined by me stating that I am myself. If I refused to give myself an identity, or outright rejected it, I would not exist as "mason".
Mason {🍫} M&M || M&M
Yes, actually. If you never talked to yourself, the tulpa would never have existed
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But I could easily say that my sense of self does not exist. That "Mason" never existed, and is just a line of neurons firing off in a brain of a body.
But you've had sense of self since you were born, right?
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That depends. Children tend to have more malleable senses of self than adolescents and adults, but for the most part, I believe so.
Reisen
Tewi: All experiences taking place entirely in your mind are very belief based, and that includes tulpamancy. Although there are some rather interesting traits of tulpas that aren't so shallow as just imagining a person in your head right this moment, and interest in those traits is what the Tulpa.info community was founded on exploring. (edited)
Tewi: The short answer is they'll be however you really expect. So this community has a lot of beliefs we teach to people specifically to help shape positive and healthy experiences. Technically things can go any-which-way if you're determined for them to, but the advice and general "beliefs" we have in the community were shaped over years of discussion on the Tulpa.info forum to prevent believing in "evil tulpas", or "not having control", or whatever other nonsense.(edited)
4:19 AM
Sorry I'm in the middle of eating and going to get back to that, everyone else can probably answer your other questions though.
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Such as the time before you discovered tulpamancy. You knew who you were
During my short time being here, I have shown Mado more things about him than he realized were true! While he may have known himself, I am here to help him understand himself better!
If tulpamancy IS real, which sounds entirely possible, personally I cannot see it being good for myself. Having some other person in my head. But it's interesting nonetheless
Such as the time before you discovered tulpamancy. You knew who you were
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Yes, I did, but that doesn't mean much. A tulpa is just an artificially created secondary person within the same brain. They have a sense of self that they develop, much like how a child develops a sense of self as they age into adulthood.
Reisen
Tewi: They're here engaging honestly and wanting to learn about tulpas. Don't antagonize. (edited)
they know nothing about schizophrenia besides the 'voices in your head' thing, which is just used to mock it mostly because almost no one knows what it actually is
Tewi: You could do with looking into cognitive dissonance. Antagonizing people is the #1 way to make sure they never learn from anything you say.(edited)
Mason {🍫} M&M || M&M
Such as the time before you discovered tulpamancy. You knew who you were
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Yes, I did, but that doesn't mean much. A tulpa is just an artificially created secondary person within the same brain. They have a sense of self that they develop, much like how a child develops a sense of self as they age into adulthood.
During my short time being here, I have shown Mado more things about him than he realized were true! While he may have known himself, I am here to help him understand himself better!
Well, unless those are harmless little things for fun, but as far as actual big decision changes, I tell him what he should do. It's up to him if he listens or not, but he knows I'm telling him the truth, so he usually listens!
Kissa
Well, unless those are harmless little things for fun, but as far as actual big decision changes, I tell him what he should do. It's up to him if he listens or not, but he knows I'm telling him the truth, so he usually listens!
Mine just happens to be super exciteable and positive. Me on the other hand...eh...I kinda don't like most people, or I should say I don't like most people because they annoy me...
And teamwork doesn't happen as well if people are fighting one another instead of flying the ship.
Marmot
Mine just happens to be super exciteable and positive. Me on the other hand...eh...I kinda don't like most people, or I should say I don't like most people because they annoy me...
And even then there's no one right way. There's a number of right ways to make a tulpa. I was actually an accident. My host made a DnD NPC he really liked and I was born from that!
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